Hoplz 2, Posted June 15, Still I don't understand the hate tho lol. MoinkGDswag 45 Posted June 15, I love them!!! I don't see the issue with that. Bluuuue Posted June 15, Chrome 3, Posted June 15, Jeffrey Jung 19, Posted June 15, I dont hate them..
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I accept. But their fans willingly gave it to them. They willingly gave money to youtubers that never intended to be professional critics anyway. They consume the entertainment that these two people create, even though they are not thorough, educated critiques.
Sometimes we just want to hear some opinion that some other people have - and ultimately, share our own through the platform of discussion that they create.
Maybe when you put the work in, you will get the recognition that they now have too. But before that, your argument is valid and invalid at the same time. Some people probably have never made a video in their life. Every single edit, every single second of a video requires so much effort. If you tried to make a video, you would appreciate the thoughtfulness in which they planned their videos - the panning, the angles, the double camera work, the animations, the sound effects, the subtitles.
Yes, they are late sometimes. Yes, they skip sometimes. You can say that the YTMAs only took a day, why are they taking so much time putting the videos out? I just think that there are many things that people complain about here even though people might not truly understand the issues they talk about.
But I still support them for what they do produce. In my opinion, I think that compared to most active Youtubers, they definitely spoil us with videos, even now.
EYK is smaller than other Youtuber companies and yet they give us a big variety of videos each week. They deserve it. I used to really love their KMMs and thought their jokes were hilarious! Final note: My fav. I love it when they attempt the dances. On the bright side, they have had more interviews with celebrities because of the studio. I honestly think even the hosts in New York knew what they were getting into, but they at least knew dressing.
Even more so, her company and directors can do much better. You are entitled to your own opinion and I understand this is your personal blog. But remember, if you are going to go flame someone on the internet; people will read it and will express their opinions. If you choose to make this blog public, then you are publicly flaming a couple that, as dorky as they are, are just doing their job the best they can and as honestly as they can. So what? Who are you to insult them on a public platform?
Or at the very least clean up your act a little more before you criticize someone so harshly. Read your post title for goodness sake. And think a bit before you go about doing something like this to someone else again. I do realize they do that stuff to attract fans. Why should I have to leave them alone? They put theirselves out there. If striving for equality makes me that bad of a person then whatever.
There is a difference between that and making fun of someone. I cannot stress that enough. Is that your excuse for them using ghetto and T-aratard? Not good enough. That is an asshole move. They were in the wrong. Just saying. Maybe you should back up and think about those things they said instead of blindly defending them. If you want to call me out on being rude yes I was.
But why is it okay for them to say derogatory things? They are assholes too. That is all. Is it truly that evil to want people to be treated without prejudice? That would make them nice people not what they did. What is the point of the video anyway? To sell talent or sex? As well the thing is they never ever bring this up at least in the videos I have watched.
I never hear them talk about how try hard anyone else is or that someone is too sexy just Hyuna. Have I gone crazy? Is everyone in Kpop not wearing tight a revealing clothing? Are girls and guys younger than Hyuna in their early teens not doing this? Are guys not stripping in videos and thrusting the air? Are girls not swinging their hips shaking their tits in kpop? They actually do. You know why?
Sex sells. And what exactly is wrong with selling sex? If it works for her then why not? She has a banging body. Why must we be so afraid of it? I can give you a huge amount of untalented idols who are gorgeous and that is why they are idols. This is wrong on so many levels. Sex is or should be an intimacy between two people who care about each other.
There is no dignity in prostitution. The two people who engage in it often know nothing and care very little about each other. I honestly cannot believe you said something so ignorant and misogynistic. And you accused me of supporting misogyny a few posts back. Simon and Martina made it clear that they were disappointed in the directors for telling Hyuna to act that way, not that they were disappointed in Hyuna for acting that way of her own accord.
I myself feel like Hyuna could do better; I feel like she could have a little more respect for her own body and sexuality. There are no words. Even though you now say you understand that they love Spudgy very much, you still meant what you said. You can be married to a women [sic] and be a misogynist. You can be a women and be a misogynist [sic]. But you will never have meaningful relationships with these people. People who react based on emotion generally only care about themselves.
Simon and Martina do not exist to please you or any other one person. Their website, their videos. Hate only breeds hate. Sorry for interjecting myself back into the conversation, but I felt like some things had to be said.
No problem. You can say anything you want here about anything I say at any time you feel like it. Some people just want to have sex with someone they think is hot to get pleasure. What I meant to say is that not every female has a problem with be sexy. Some girls like it. Is the industry flawed and skewed? However maybe some women do like taking their clothes off or being sexy.
That does not mean they want to be prostitutes. Besides some woman genuinely like being porn stars or prostitutes. Not every girl is taken advantage of. If a girl wants to be a virgin for the rest of her life and wear very demure clothes she should be allowed to. If she wants to walk around wearing barely anything and having sex with a new guy every night she should be allowed to.
Everyone is different and what makes them happy might differ. I think think at the end of the day if someone has no problem with flashing their abs or stomach or what have you then there is nothing wrong with it. I feel like sex is a great tool to get people interested in things and you might as well use it because it works.
I sure do enjoy it. I said she was trying hard too. Did I say she should get some pants? This is exactly what they were going for and she delivered. Fine if you take it that way because I said it and I take full responsibility for the ways it can be seen.
Perhaps there was better wording I could have used. I just have a problem with the fact that they clearly do unnecessarily play with their dog for the sake of humour. My bad. What I meant is you can still be a woman and hate women. You can be friends with someone and still have an attitude or say things that suggest you hate them because on some level you do.
You regard them as a lesser person or whatever. What you do and say defines how you feel about things. If I say hateful things about black people, I hate them.
I think in some instances you can have a loving relationship with an ignorant person. I know I do. The thing is your stance only favours them.
Had you never said anything like this I could probably take you and others stating the same thing more seriously. Now let me show you this: I do not exist to please you or any other one person.
My website, my articles. Why are you getting upset or whatever with me for doing the thing you are doing? When you say this though it makes you look hypocritical and like you bend rules for Simon and Martina. I think if you disagree with someone or something you should say so. So I am getting confused with what you are saying. Could you clarify for me a bit? Is there a grey area or am I missing something? I think of a hater as someone with an irrational hatred of someone.
I have my reasons and if you read through the comments you will see whay I mean. Obviously any idiot can see I was. I just think they started acting like entitled assholes and their videos have gone way downhill so yeah I will say that in my blog. They are clearly entertaining people hence why they get k views and have k subscribers on youtube. They are just voicing out their opinions. Oh and btw.. Calm DOWN. I am clearly not harassing them all day long. I just wrote my opinion in my personal blog.
I have the right to criticize them. Listen I do agree that they do appeal to a certain audience but so does Twilight. Not everything popular is good. Most groups are not that talented though. Good dancers but that is usually as far as it goes. People love Dara, Sohee, Goo Hara and they are terrible singers.
Good you do realize it was wrong of them to call her a stripper. At least they took that down. By your logic I could go out and kidnap and kill some kids because if a few people do it that makes it okay. I actually like when simon and martina are being like jerks? When i saw Hyunas Bubble pop i actually thought the same things that simon and martina said. When you listen a Kpop song the first thing you notice as a international listener is the horrible or good english.
Dont take it so serious chill. Do I believe that Hyuna is highly sexualized? Do I think that that probably is not who she is? Plus a lot of girls and guys in Kpop do things that are just as sexy but never get called out for it. Yeah that is fine if you prefer the less educational side of things for them. Different people will like different things. Could you at least try to write coherently? I failed to understand what you tried to write most of the time and could only pick up a few things.
And you sound just as irritating as the person causing this trouble by showing off their ignorance through their annoying, childish rant.
You fail to bring up anything to use against them ie. Martina looks like a dumbass when she tries to be cute and you only hurt your position by making stupid statements ie: they torture their dog. Where are they saying negative things about one specific group of people? I will respong with the rest later. I do wrote coherently though. Even if most people here think I went overboard they are not ignoring my valid points for the sake of Simon and Martina.
You are making yourself look pathetic. Please tell why having a bet justifies calling a girl a stripper? Why did they said everyone in Canada has no problem with the word ghetto and we all use it? I am Canadian and I can tell you that is certainly not true at all. Is it funny to make fun of people who suffer all of their lives who never ever did anything to Simon and Martina?
Haha hilarious. Simon and Martina are amazing people. All they wanted was an apology. Why do that if they are right? I can keep talking to people because I know I am right. I believe that they should be able to speak. After all no one is perfect. Thankfully they have no say on most parts of the Internet. She tries too hard.
If you ever watched their videos which I will assume you do you will notice that Martina was way less cutesy at first. So yes it does seem fake and she seems very burikko. I was joking about the dog thing. You care about animals and are a member of PETA? That is an oxymoron. They shit on the good work that the decent societies do by making them all look crazy and less legitimate when they just want fairer treatment of animals. Look up derogatory in your dictionary.
What does it say? Whether they are women, black or in this case poor. This insinuates that people who live in places like that themselves are not as good as people who are richer than them. Where did they use ghetto as a compliment? Point it out to me.
If you are telling me ghetto means something different than what they used it for a place where poor people who are traditionally treated badly live vs. Using inductive logic, which we often do, that means behaving inappropriately can be equated with behaving black. Ghettos certainly do not have a monopoly on deviance and unacceptable behavior, nor do suburbs have a monopoly on sophistication, manners, and civility.
Formerly a term that evoked sympathy, people use it now to mock and stigmatize. Ghettoes used to be places where downtrodden, isolated minorities used to work hard to achieve the American dream for their children. Now, in the conception of our nation, including black folks sad to say , instead of persevering and ambitious, ghetto people are shiftless, criminal, and materialistic.
Of course these stories exist, but in comparison how many other people in the hood are doing their best to remain upright and strive for better? For example, most people that live in the hood hate when teenagers talk fully animated, at high decibel in the back of the bus, or when folks curse gratuitously in public.
More importantly, what is the word for white people that are uncouth, etc? In contrast though, these still only apply to individuals, not to numerous, geographic areas, in which the bulk of the race resides! Imagine what effect on the perception of white people an insidious stigma about the suburbs would have. At some point, the definition in the hood expanded to comically, somewhat affectionately, refer to the quirky, rebellious, and desperate behaviors that poverty stimulates. As a consequence of the popularization and exploitation of hip-hop culture, along with the changed complexion of inner cities described earlier , the tone has changed drastically from comical and endearing to contemptuous and mocking.
Now groups that are outside of hip-hop, but still consume it ravenously, i. The word has been co-opted and morphed to the point that ghetto people now use it to distinguish themselves from one another. But what else is new? Are you Hyuna or her mother???
So what if they called her a SLUT. Are they calling you a SLUT. No one made you come here or read this. This is my personal blog and if you are going to complain about me being butthurt then maybe you should shut the fuck up and stop white knighting. Simon and Martina are adults and can fight their own battles. I seriously find them annoying. Whenever they want to look funny or witty, they just take something out of Korean popculture and present it in a skewed way that suits their comedic purposes.
Maybe slightly. Ghettos started out as being neighborhoods for Jews, who unlessare being fucked with by whatever current regime and even then not always , are usually a very wealthy and educated people. Ghettos exist all over the world, filled with all different colors of people, from white to black. Like some people I find your post to be quite hateful towards eyk. I do occasionally watch their videos because I think they are fun and informative to some level.
However, I notice that you seem to dislike them and as a result you hate everything they do. Also, the fact that you swear a lot might offend some people too, no? Maybe not as offensive as the term ghetto as per your explanation, but if eyk were reading this they might get offended too. My point is your article on Simon and Martina is kind of biased. Anyways, I admire you for being level headed when replying to the comments people leave behind.
I just wanted to share my thoughts. Thanks for reading! I completely agree with you. Honestly, I find their videos super entertaining and actually fairly informative. I would like to comment though that their quirks and the stuff they come up with; that is who they are, and they should not have to change to please anyone else. Also, ghetto, I agree with them. As for the bet in the tag, it was immature, but people on the Internet always tend to overreact. Dude you are lame! I hate haters the most… fuck..
They always act silly,cute and all that. I love you for this. That was amazing! Thanks for this well-written argument. Just like you are expressing your opinions on your own website, they have the right to express what they want on their videos and such. Also, their point about Hyuna is very true. And saying something is ghetto, when has that ever been such a big problem? In the ghetto you would most likely find very cheap run down places with families living of the cheapest quality items.
So saying something is ghetto is not refering to a person, but rather a way of living. So it is in no way racist, even people who come from the ghetto say this and that is ghetto. Your just making so much more of a big deal about it then it needs to be. So what if they block people who come to hate on them?
Would you want someone constantly posting on your channel about how much you suck at something? How is blocking childish? The option is there for a reason. So really, all you are is just another hater of the million that are out there that no one really cares about. I also try my best not to make derogatory comments and if I do slip up I expect people to correct me.
There are plenty of people who loved this article. See how stupid that looks? Just like you are doing now to me. And see there you are saying ghettos are full of poor people with cheap things.
This says nothing about those people as human beings. You are seeing them first as the amount of money they earn rather than their intelligence or thoughts. That is wrong. And making fun of them for being poor is wrong too. I get people telling me horrible shit all of the time but you know what? I suck it up and deal with it and approach them from a logical standpoint.
That way they have to argue with me or leave. If they lack the logic to argue about a certain subject than they usually leave or when their points fall through. Actually lots of people care about me. I get a decent amount of views per day and lots of comments from lovely people like you.
Thanks for caring. A Youtuber I follow went out of his way to buy a bouncy castle for his 1 million subscriber video because his fans requested it, to me that was an overly kind gesture but a much appreciated one. It showed that he really appreciated those who watch his stuff.
Simon also makes me laugh more than Martina but the way you wrote about that came across almost too negative to me. While it would have seemed odd to sugar-coat what you disliked about the way she acts, I still found it almost too harsh to read without wincing, and I believe it was like this for anyone regardless or whether they are neutral or have a general dislike towards her. Aside from that you explained your opinion and for that I am grateful. Thank you for that. I find it deplorable that you would even think that the word has anything to do with us blacks when its original meaning was to describe a run down neighborhood of people who were left poor and destitute and ridiculed and humiliated.
That word is solely connected to poverty and Simon and Martina used it in its correct context. Harold M. Clemens is a staff writer for We The Voices magazine. He also blogs regularly at Ghetto Uprising.
Your rant and hate will do nothing to them. Calm down. I did watch their videos and this is what I saw and many others agree with me so sorry your statement falls through. Go on, make some videos. Lets see how far you will get in the youtube world. How pathetic. Do you not realize that you are wasting your time bullshitting and ranting to the internet about two amazing people on youtube?
Why not channel that hatred into doing something productive. LMAO look at how many haters you have now. Because you freely expressed your opinion without any type of guideline. But you did say something. All you be gettin is hate. Actually I have gotten a lot of love too. And you are wasting your time commenting on this post. You are just as pathetic as you think I am. Someone should recruit you to work for a campaign that actually matters, however.
If I think someone is wrong then I will tell them so. I am not going to block them if they say hateful things about me or disagree with my opinion. I am not going to force them to shut up by threatening to block them. I am not that person and you will never see me do that.
Honestly, I feel like you could use some love too. Oh, and since this TOO is MY opinion, go ahead and argue against it if you must, just use actual logic as a basis next time. I get that. Again I am not going to make a Sesame Street version for anyone.
That is not the way I am. Bitter to me again implies that I am enraged and jealous. I dont think I am jealous. I also am not furious or anything. I am just relaxing on my couch talking to you. Maybe what you are looking for to describe my behavior is condescending? That would definitely apply. Okay, the Hyuna stripper tag was out of line. Also, with the Hyuna thing, I actually agree with them on that part. She has the potential to be very sexy, but those darn producers are just squeezing every last drop of sex appeal out of her.
In my opinion, it just depends on how you interpret the situation. Sorry for the uber late comment that pretty much says the same thing as everyone else. I so agree with you. Hell, if she got raped I bet these people would say she was asking for it. However, ghetto is not a racist term. It means that something is old and trashy. I really would like to know where you got the conclusion that ghetto is a racist term. They were faulting her entertainment company for making her act sexy.
As for Yes, there are some groups out there that are extremely proactive, like the Brown Eyed Girls, but saying K-Pop idols are at least somewhat talented. Yes, I admit looks do matter quite a bit in the K-Pop world, but to put up a video of Rain doing that is taking one small moment out.
Now, for your descriptions of the Simon and Martina videos. Those descriptions you put up are really bashing. Saying they torture their dog is too much. Martina being cute is probably part the influence of Korean culture, where girls try to act cute to get their boyfriends or significant other to do or buy something for them. One last thing. People take them too seriously.
Come on, really? Why would you write a whole post on why you hate 2 people? I personally like Simon and Martina. As well as Martina with her cutsieness.
They admit they are dorky and weird. These are all your opinions and whatever, honestly. That sounds remarkably like girl hate, which is, in my opinion, one of the most abhorrently baseless offenses one female can thrust upon another in an already biased society.
Roooooound of applause, sister. Anyone can edit videos or whatever. If I said that Matt Stone, Bret or Spenny were unfunny and that their partner is what made it work you would take no offense. It is a Canadian thing. It is not a racist word where we are from. It is our culture. Do the British people need to apologize and admit they are wrong because they offend an American when they say Oriental?
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